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Damian Jones is an outlier in the 247Composite

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    The 2013 247Composite has been updated, and here is a look at the outliers in the rankings which include Kansas recruit Joel Embiid.

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  • Hate to say it but it looks like 247's BB ratings are as out of whack as the football ratings. I can understand the football disparity because 247 doesn't give much credit beyond the first 16 players in a recruiting class, but in BB how do you explain so many of the 247 composite ratings being so much higher than 247's alone?

    In Damian Jones' case it's favorable to Vandy, but I would like to understand the methodology.

    Thanks.

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  • moto said...

    Hate to say it but it looks like 247's BB ratings are as out of whack as the football ratings. I can understand the football disparity because 247 doesn't give much credit beyond the first 16 players in a recruiting class, but in BB how do you explain so many of the 247 composite ratings being so much higher than 247's alone?

    In Damian Jones' case it's favorable to Vandy, but I would like to understand the methodology.

    Thanks.

    I think the team rankings are different than the player rankings. The player rankings don't incorporate any sort of Gaussian model. I think the player rankings are just an ordering of the scores of the individual players, either the 247 score alone, or the composite score (the 247 score averaged with the others). If there's a disparity between the 247 ranking and the composite ranking, that simply means that 247 liked a recruit better than the industry average. A player could end up with a lower composite ranking if there is less of a consensus on how good he is.

    This post was edited by breeks on 2/13/2013 at 9:55 PM

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  • jerry do you know who we are looking at for the 2014 class?

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  • breeks said...

    I think the team rankings are different than the player rankings. The player rankings don't incorporate any sort of Gaussian model. I think the player rankings are just an ordering of the scores of the individual players, either the 247 score alone, or the composite score (the 247 score averaged with the others). If there's a disparity between the 247 ranking and the composite ranking, that simply means that 247 liked a recruit better than the industry average. A player could end up with a lower composite ranking if there is less of a consensus on how good he is.

    Thanks, Dev. I got so interested to see the disparity in ratings again that I forgot we were talking individuals rather than teams. Still would like to know why 247 is consistently so at variance. Or maybe I do; they have all the best analysts!!! Hope so, anyway.

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    Thanks, Dev. I got so interested to see the disparity in ratings again that I forgot we were talking individuals rather than teams. Still would like to know why 247 is consistently so at variance. Or maybe I do; they have all the best analysts!!! Hope so, anyway.

    Yah, who knows. The player rankings imply a deceptively high level of precision. Is the 28th person really quantifiably "better" than the 29th person in any objective or subjective dimension? Especially if those two players are evaluated by different scouts? The other problem with ranks is they don't show how bunched together players are. There may be relatively small differences in the players ranked 1-10 but then a big difference between them and the guys ranked 11-20, or whatever.

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    Yah, who knows. The player rankings imply a deceptively high level of precision. Is the 28th person really quantifiably "better" than the 29th person in any objective or subjective dimension? Especially if those two players are evaluated by different scouts? The other problem with ranks is they don't show how bunched together players are. There may be relatively small differences in the players ranked 1-10 but then a big difference between them and the guys ranked 11-20, or whatever.

    Good points, breeks. Tks

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  • moto said...

    Good points, breeks. Tks

    Frankly, the only reason I'm bummed we have a lousy basketball team this year is that I wish we had something better to show our football recruits. lol

    breeks

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