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I believe you were explaining this in the absence of backup to your statement of "fact" that it's harder for athletes to qualify for UT than Vanderbilt. While interesting, none of it should be news to anyone nor does it back up your statement. I'm going to guess the reason you won't be able to find public record on that is because it isn't true. Just my "opinion" as you are free to have your "opinion" with regard to admission difficulty for athletes.
So in your opinion, why was Jimmy Cheek flown out to Louisville to specifically discuss academics with Charlie Strong? Also, why was that such a hot button issue? Also, why did Dave Hart come out and say Tennessee was at a disadvantage recruiting wise and steps needed to be taken to change that? I'm not making any of that up. Obviously the issue isn't the facilities.
There is a difference between UT fans, prospective coaches, influential board members having a problem with admission standards and the relative difference between UT standards and VU standards. The two simply aren't related and you can't draw firm conclusions about any other university's admission standards. Seriously, am I missing something?
My opinion is that all these things happened because UT raised their standards, which is great. Does that make them the toughest school to get into for athletes? Not even close. I would say those events back up my opinion just as easily as they back up yours. The only convincing evidence I've seen so far is Jimmy Cheek saying that UT was consistent with the SEC.
Suppose for the sake of argument that everything you just said is true. Even if I accept what you said, you still have absolutely NOTHING to back up your assertion that it is easier to be admitted as an athlete to Vanderbilt than to Tennessee.
Next time you guys turn down a 5^ safety over enrollment timing issues as we did back in January (McQuay), feel free to come back here and start crowing about how hard it is to get into UT.
Personally, I think Dave Hart is blaming academic eligibility to cover his own ass for the lousy state of your men's football, basketball, and baseball teams over the past few years.
No one is saying The University of Tennessee hasn't increased their academic standards.
We're saying that it's absolute blasphemy to even compare them with Vanderbilt University.
I appreciate your conversation and it's been fun to actually converse, like adults, with a fan of a rival.
This would be the equivalent of me saying Vanderbilt has just as rich of history in football as Tennessee. A blatantly, false statement.
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Vanderbilt did everything they could(within reason) to get L3 enrolled(had nothing to do with his grades). But there is a threshold that VU would not cross.
UT would have let him enroll half way into the semester had it benefitted them.
4 star safety from Texas Kendrick Loften. Passed NCAA clearing house twice and applied at UT, got denied by Jimmy Cheek. These standards at Tennessee have only been in place since Cheek has been here. I'm saying recently Tennessee has had some of the highest standards for athletes to get it. The state of our football team has been bad because the academic side had been controlling the athletic side. I'm not sure what's wrong with our basketball team. they've been pretty competitive. As for baseball...no one in Knoxville really cares.
You actually didn't say that at first but that's fine. I'm glad we could all clear this up. Personally I'm proud of the fact that Vandy strives to compete both athletically and academically at the highest levels. I applaud UT from trying to improve their academic reputation and I think it's a shame that everyone seems to think that's a bad thing. Have they made mistakes recently while trying to achieve this? Possibly. Like you said earlier, there is still room for flexibility even with high standards on a case by case situation. Is academics why UT is in the situation they are in? I don't think so at all. I think it's pretty clear that Kiffin and Dooley are way more at fault than academic standards.
I wasn't going to post on this subject again, but out of curiosity I just googled Eddrick Loften to see where he finally ended up playing college football. Guess where? UT!!! I guess those vaunted academic standards weren't such an impossible hurdle in this case.
That's not true. Search the roster and you won't find him on there. I wish it was true.
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Strange then they would put him on the UT website and call him a Sophomore. Oh well.
If you actually researched it instead of just briefly googling it, you'll find he hasn't played a down at Tennessee. He isn't on the roster. You can google old documents. I posted the most recent roster.
I wouldn't stake your academic stringency claim on Lofton. He was arrested for "Vehicle Burglary" shortly after UT signed him - twice. Likely, the off the field issues were a bigger red flag than any deficiency in the classroom. Again, CP played at UT, JUCO or not, the administration let him in and turned a blind eye as he failed his classes. To think that would happen at Vandy is ludicrous.
As for the Cheek comments, etc, I think the UT administration needed to throw the disgruntled fan base some red meat and used academic standards as a sideshow. I think its criminal that athletics is cutting $18mm from the academic budget over 3 years and that should have been an outrage in Knoxville, not applauded. To me, that speaks volumes about the institution's (and fan base's) academic priorities.
This is getting silly. Regardless of how many downs he played, denying a guy who struggled to clear the NCAA and then had off the field problems doesn't exactly speak well of your academic standards. At this point, this is clearly all a diversion from the fact that you can't support your original claim.
Alright guys! I'm just saying what was reported. Not my opinion. Keep doing your thing! I can't say i'll be back.
"Reported" by UT leaning sites w/out any supporting facts. Must be true.
Come back anytime. I enjoy a cordial debate. Even though I don't think I understand your point, it was great to have a debate without it deteriorating into a huge round of playing the dozens. Can't stand and don't have time for that type of thing and it always seems to go that direction. Pleasure to have you over here, even if we don't agree.
Let's looks at this part of the statement - "The state of our football team has been bad because the academic side has been controlling the athletic side."
This is a University - right (?) not an NFL franchise. It's just funny to me that UT alums and fans want the school to improve it's quality as long as it doesn't affect the football team.
It is also comical that they blame not gettting any of their top 5 coaching choices on academics. They can never accept that Oklahoma State or Louisville are better jobs to someone than Tennessee. The further they fall in football, the more they cling to the past.
I think you mean Eddrick Loften as there is no Kendrick Loften and Eddrick Loften is currently enrolled at UT
No need to get all butt hurt Bruh.
I'll tell you this, you come to a Vanderbilt message board and make a claim(or just posting what you've "seen" reported as you say) then you better be able to back it up with verifiable evidence.
Tangible statistics is what were looking for. Because one thing we take serious at VU is our academic reputation and when an egregious claim like this is made, we are going to ask for proof.
It's on the Internet...it must be true.
You may want to revisit your definition of "reporting" as you were unable to provide even a small piece of evidence for your claim but other than that, thanks for stopping by!
Man, all you guys are very nice to treat him well. To me, his agenda was to get some juicy VU fan quotes to take back to his buds. Instead of "I hate the dumbing down of our admission standards" or "I don't care as long as we win" he got an actual discussion. Then he really couldn't even understand the difference between journalistic reporting and innuendo.
The Tennessee-has-high-standards line meets all the criteria for an urban myth:
A story, generally untrue but sometimes one that is merely exaggerated or sensationalise, that gains the status of folklore by continual retelling. Such stories, which may be old and cliché-ridden, are often given a degree of plausibility by being updated in a contemporary setting, or by the teller's claims of personal involvement.
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