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It's hard to imagine a recruit (or a recruit's parent) looking at those numbers and not taking them to heart.
To other SEC fans: hold your school's administration accountable. Better yet, cheer for Vanderbilt for doing things the right way. For the young men that commit their time and often their health to a university, an education and graduation are not too much to expect in return.
Similar studies and reports have been published over the years. Maybe they're starting to actually make a difference. It's probably a more effective recruiting tool than any other piece of mail Vanderbilt could send out to a prospective SEC football player.
Anchor Down! Go Dores!
I comprehend the value of an education, which is why I chose to go to Vanderbilt Law School. However, your initial argument was that it's a no brainier. I'm not saying that Vanderbilt isn't a great school. It is. I just think your comments don't reflect the way things work in the real world.
I didn't intend to place this comment behind the pay wall.
While I don't disagree with everything that you are saying, I think we've strayed a little bit from the original topic, which, to me, seemed to be, "Good luck delivering pizzas with your Auburn degree." I'm guessing that those of you who are thinking like this are young (as one of your screen names has 2010 in it, so I assume you're probably not much older than 24). I think that if you give it a few years in your careers, you'll find out that there are plenty of people who are more than competent in their professions who didn't go to Vanderbilt.
Guys, move off the topic of which degree is better. When you get out of school, you hire the best people. Talented, smart people go to both schools. We should sell him on the fact he can play here quickly, he'll get a high quality education while living is a fantastic city. Done
You leave us with too much time on our hands and this is what happens. I agree with comment on the OT thread - quick Barton, distract us with an update! When things get deep, people drown.
Since when did it become controversial to state that a Vandy degree will take you further in life than an Auburn degree?
Geesh. Not trying to be elitist, but think about the objective stats. Most kids won't make millions in the NFL. There will be successful kids that graduate from anywhere, but pound for pound a Vandy degree will open more doors. Just like a Harvard degree would open even more doors, etc. I've been out of Vandy for 10 years, my opinion is based on seeing very competent people struggle to get jobs bc of how competitive it is to get into a high paying career and wish they made better decisions about studying harder in highschool to get into a better college.
I know that you couldn't pay me enough money to live in places like Auburn, AL or Starkville, MS
follow me on twitter @country_cookin
Auburn is actually a nice city in Alabama, one of the few, idk where that comes from. In fact I worked with a guy from nashville that said hed rather live in montgomery than nashville.....so thats strange to me
The Gus Bus is rolling, get on or get out of the way!!
fun fact auburn has beaten vandy in baseball 5 times, and we've only played in football twice, and those have been 2 of the worst teams in Auburn history.....so lets not get ahead here, i dont think there has ever been this much animosity btwn AU and VU fans geez
You haven't win a baseball series over Vanderbilt since 2009. During the past 4 years you've won a total of 4 baseball games. Out of 12.
You've won a total of 7 times EVER against VU basketball in Memorial gym. SEVEN!
And oh yeah...
I agree that a Vanderbilt degree helps, but it's obviously not the only factor. Rudy Ford sounds like a good kid, and if he goes to Auburn, I'm sure he'll have some job offers waiting for him. Also, how do you know these kids aren't looking for other things in addition to education? I agree that Vandy is first in the SEC when it comes to academics, but would you agree that it's last in other areas such as fan support, facilities and tradition? I believe in an interview, Ford even said he was looking for "atmosphere." It isn't my intent to come onto your board and talk trash, but as bad as Auburn and Tennessee have been on the field, they both have the edge over Vandy when it comes to fan support, atmosphere, facilities, and tradition. Agree?
tip of the cap to bigorangekaz for coming into enemy territory and putting together a civil argument.
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Rudy was in attendance at the UT game and was commenting on the atmosphere there and was blown away. I'm sure you can find his comments...
This post was edited by Bud_Fox 15 months ago
Vanderbilt - "Oderunt dum Metuant"
Grow up. Calm down.
"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Leave it to a lawyer, right? (intended as good natured jab). No doubt that it takes unique blend of vision, priorities, and gifts to be offered and accept opportunity to play at Vanderbilt. I would only offer the following perspective on your argument - there are plenty of big stadiums, programs with every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the state pulling for them, big tailgate scenes, fans tweeting nonsense in droves, etc. Actually completely common in the SEC. Vanderbilt on the other hand offers a young athlete completely unique opportunity. The opportunity to compete on the SEC stage and get a degree that is completely different than the entire rest of the conference. Not for everyone, but a damn good bargain that is only going to be more attractive as we achieve greater success. I've said it before on this board. If a big stadium with little to no academic challenge for four years is your highest priority, then VU probably isn't your place. But if you are truly focused on the brass ring of SEC football coupled with the finest degree in the conference, however, then VU may be the challenge you are seeking.
My point was and continues to be that a Vandy degree will do more long term than an Auburn degree. Points like "fan support, tradition, and facilities" are exactly the smokescreens that schools of a lesser academic caliber rely on to mask this issue. Curious how playing in front of 40k more fans 6x a year pays the mortgage when you blow out your knee in your sophomore year and haven't invested in your education?
This post was edited by BNV212 15 months ago
Remember when this was a thread about Rudy Ford... that was fun
We have one thread that went from being about Rudy Ford to which degree is better or which one will open more dores(see what I did there).
And then We have another thread that went from being about our Friday nights to being about taxes.
Only on a VU board.
I'm sorry, I just can't have a UT fan have the last word in a debate about academics on a Vandy board. This could, and should, have been over a long time ago. My mistake in continuing the debate. Lets talk about more pleasant topics, anyone see the basketball game tonight?
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